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Schiller Institut Strategisk Webcast
med Helga Zepp-LaRouche

Engelsk udskrift: 

Schiller Institute New Paradigm Webcast, May 3, 2018
With Helga Zepp-LaRouche

The Empire Based in London Won’t Give Up:
They Must, and Can Be Defeated

HARLEY SCHLANGER:  Hello, I’m Harley Schlanger from the
Schiller Institute. Welcome to this week’s Schiller Institute
international webcast, featuring our President and founder Helga
Zepp-LaRouche.
There’s been an incredible density of events over these last
days, both with the motion toward the New Paradigm and the New
Silk Road, but also another one of a string of war provocations,
this one coming from Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu,
with threats to Iran.  Helga, why don’t we start there, because
this is an extremely dangerous development, what Netanyahu did.

HELGA ZEPP-LAROUCHE:  It’s quite significant that even a
German politician, Mr. Rötgen, who is otherwise quite a hawk,
accused Netanyahu of having committed a conscious fraud and
effort to fool the international community by claiming that Iran
would still be involved in a secret nuclear program.  Now, in the
meantime, the International Atomic Energy Agency has come out and
said that there is absolutely no truth to it, that they conducted
ten different reports, that Iran is fully compliant with the Iran
agreement on nuclear weapons, and that there is absolutely
nothing new in the material presented.
This was said even by a whole series of former security
officials from Israel itself.  So the question is, what is the
purpose of this? Which is clearly a provocation.  And there were
these missile attacks in Syria, where it’s not yet entirely clear
where they came from, but it’s not to be excluded that they did
come from Israel.  And obviously, Netanyahu now has a bill in the
Knesset which in the first reading got an absolute majority,
which would empower Netanyahu to go to war.  There is opposition
in the Knesset against that, because the term “extreme
circumstances” is not specified, and therefore, it’s a sort of
{carte blanches} because he can always declare “extreme
circumstances.”
This is very, very dangerous.  This is obviously a power
game, not really regarding the Middle East as such.  Naturally,
Iran is the thorn in the flesh of Netanyahu, but I think the way
to look at the situation is that the Middle East is once again
the theater for a proxy war, where the real issue is the
confrontation against Russia and China.  Because, rather than
getting caught up in every single provocation, I would encourage
you, our viewers, to think about the strategic long arc of
developments.  I could take it back all the way to the collapse
of the Soviet Union, but let’s start with the election of
President Trump, who, in the election campaign had promised that
he would improve the relationship with Russia, and then
subsequently, he did not stay with the anti-China line, which he
had had in the election campaign, but started to develop a very
good relationship with Xi Jinping, with China.  And from the
standpoint of the geopolitical faction of the Western world,
basically situated in the City of London and their junior partner
in Wall Street, this idea that you would have a good
understanding between the United States President, and the
governments of Russia and China, is a nightmare, because it would
absolutely eliminate the possibility of their divide and conquer,
and playing geopolitical games.
I would say, the origin of all of these developments,
starting with the Russiagate against Trump, which is now
completely out of the window because there was no Russiagate.
Then at the point when the British origin was in the center of
attention in the Congress and various investigative committees,
they looked at the role of the British collusion in the coup
attempt against Trump, then you had the Skripal affair; which, by
the way, now has completely died out, it has disappeared from the
British media, as Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zakharova
pointed out yesterday, that there is more mention about the
Skripal affair in the British media.  Then, when that fell apart,
you had the so-called chemical weapons attack by the Assad
government, which then turned out didn’t even take place — it
was a complete smokescreen by the British-controlled White
Helmets organization, that fell apart.  Now, you have the
supposed Iranian nuclear program, which also is a fraud. And then
you have, naturally, the developments in Ukraine, where
Poroshenko yesterday announced a military solution for the
liberation of the Donbas.  And there, you have the same group of
organizations involved, which we have pinned down and published
in the past many times.
The whole thing is really one long arc, aimed at the
containment of Russia, the containment of China, and it is quite
interesting that Foreign Minister Lavrov just gave a long, very
important interview to the Italian media, where he said that
every time President Trump impulse to improve the relationship
with Russia, the Russophobia mafia inside the United States is
creating some kind of a provocation again, and that many of the
problems of the world remain unresolved because they would
require a positive cooperation between the United States and
Russia.
People have to really understand, all of these things, while
they have some merit in themselves, some logic, some historical
or ethnic causality, they’re nevertheless being played on the big
chessboard in the larger game, the containment of Russia and
China.  And that obviously, is an impossibility, and therefore,
you have these tensions and very dangerous developments, almost
on a daily basis.

SCHLANGER:  That review is very useful for people, because
you can look at each individual event, but the connection is
what’s important.  And of course, it’s broader than just a
regional war in the Middle East:  If something happens against
the Iranian agreement, that’ll have an implication for what
otherwise looks so positive in terms of the Korean situation,
doesn’t it?

ZEPP-LAROUCHE: Oh, yes.  I think that the North Korea/South
Korea process is one of the most joyful things which are
happening right now.  Many of the details are not so well known,
so let me just mention, that in the meeting between Kim Jong-un
and Moon Jae-in, the latter, the South Korean President brought a
brochure and also gave a memory drive to Kim Jong-un with a
full-fledge development plan for North Korea, which apparently
involves, among other things, two railway lines to be built in
the southern and northern coasts of North Korea, connecting both
with the ancient Silk Road, but also with the Trans-Siberian
Railway through Russia.
This is very positive.  There has been a CIA team in North
Korea for a week, inspecting various sites, and [National
Security Advisor] Bolton commented and said these are all signs
of good will.  And also that three Americans will be released by
North Korea.  President Trump has expressed he is looking forward
to meeting Kim Jong-un very soon; Kim Jong-un, on the other side,
also wants to meet with [Japanese Prime Minister] Abe, and
President Moon of South Korea offered to broker such a meeting.
And then, [Chinese Foreign Minister] Wang Yi is today in North
Korea.  So these are all very, very good developments, because if
the North Korean situation comes towards a peace treaty and
potential unification under Korean sovereignty, this would a
very, very important milestone for all of humanity.
But naturally, as you say there is a danger, because
Netanyahu, among other reasons — namely that he wants to push
the Iranian influence out of Syria — timed his statement
obviously with the deadline of May 12th, which is when the
decision in the United States will be taken to either renegotiate
or cancel the Iranian nuclear agreement, or extend it.  And
obviously, Netanyahu wanted to create a hype so that the United
States would insist on renegotiation, which from the standpoint
of the Iranians is a cancellation and would throw the whole
situation immediately into a very dangerous destabilization; and
may actually lead to the desire of the Iranians to then scrap the
whole deal and go back to building nuclear weapons.
Obviously, if that happens, this could have the danger of
threatening the North Korean situation, because, remember, Kim
Jong-un went into this absolutely intense nuclear testing and
missile testing, because he looked at the Middle East and came to
the conclusion that the only way for him to prevent from
happening to him what happened to Saddam Hussein and Qaddafi,
would be that North Korea is a full-fledged nuclear power and
therefore, there would be a defense against such things.
If he would think it doesn’t matter, even if you have an
agreement with the United States, they can throw it out at the
next occasion, I think this is a very, very dangerous thing.  So
I hope that President Trump is not overlooking that, because
there is very clearly an effort to play on that, to also ruin the
North Korea/South Korea agreement again.
These things hang altogether.  And I can only say, the
International Atomic Energy Agency did say that there is absolute
compliance on the side of Iran, and even [Federica] Mogherini,
the foreign minister of the European Union basically reiterated
that, and said that the International Atomic Energy Agency is the
only institution which should be consulted concerning these
questions, and if there are problems they should be brought to
them, because they are equipped to deal with it, and not some
wild, independent action.
So this is the field of tension in which all of this is
taking place.

SCHLANGER:  And there’s a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy
here that the neo-conservatives play on, which is, once you cut
off negotiations and diplomatic discussion, you create what they
call a “rogue state.” And they say the “rogue state” is dangerous
because it doesn’t adhere to principles, when, in fact, the West
is the one forcing the fear, producing the fear that leads to
backing away and developing weapons.
Now, I think this is also important in the broader context,
where you’ve been pointing out the importance of the meeting
between [Indian] Prime Minister Modi  and President Xi Jinping of
China.  This has extraordinary implications, not just for those
two countries, but going into another part of the Mideast, where
there’s been wars, namely Afghanistan.  What can you tell us
about the progress on that front?

ZEPP-LAROUCHE:  This is really, maybe as important as the
Korea development, because there was the effort to play India in
the so-called Indo-Pacific combination, meaning Japan, Australia,
New Zealand, India, against the New Silk Road and against China.
And for historical reasons, there is a strong British
geopolitical influence in parts of the establishment in India,
which has been susceptible, and it was played upon by the
neo-cons and the British, to say India is the largest democracy,
therefore, they don’t believe in communist China, they believe in
the Western world, and should work with them.
And in a certain sense, it looked for a while as if this
would function; but after the border incident in Doklam, where
both India and China realized how devastating it would be for the
two largest countries in the world if they would get again into
some kind of a military conflict, there obviously was a
rethinking in India, where most people around Modi are now moving
in a direction of working with China.
That does not yet mean that India is supporting the New Silk
Road, because of the issue of Pakistan is really a sticky one for
India; and China is building this very important economic
corridor, from China to the Arabian Sea coast of Pakistan, which
Indian is completely objecting to. And therefore, at the Shanghai
Cooperation Organization (SCO) meeting, the Indian Foreign
Minister did not sign the New Silk Road resolution.  But they now
work together on the China-Nepal-India corridor, which is also
part of the New Silk Road, in reality.
Therefore, now you this meeting between President Xi Jinping
and Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Wuhan, and the two leaders
had six discussions over two days.  And just to realize, India
and China are not only the two population-richest countries —
they have together 2.6 {billion} people, that’s 40% of the entire
human population of the world — but they also have the longest
continuous cultures, more than 5,000 years old, who have, over
the course of universal history, contributed an enormous amount
of knowledge, of poetry, of art, and are both sort of creators of
the human civilization.
What is very exciting is that they agreed in this context,
to have a joint development between India and China, in
Afghanistan.  They will build a railroad from Afghanistan to
Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Iran, China and therefore tie Afghanistan
into the Belt and Road Initiative, which is obviously very
important for Afghanistan.  The President of Afghanistan Ashraf
Ghani had requested several months ago, that the only way to
solve Afghanistan’s problems would be as part of the New Silk
Road, but it also is a way of bridging, so to speak, the
India-Pakistan conflict, because there are obviously close
relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan; China has a better
relationship to Pakistan; and if they now develop Afghanistan
together, it touches on this higher level of reason, what we
always have said the New Silk Road establishes:  that you need a
concept where everybody benefits, where you have a higher level
of cooperation, which is capable of overcoming ethnic and
historical and other conflicts.
So if India and China can work together in Afghanistan for
the improvement of the situation there, this is a typical example
of how the New Silk Road is also a peace initiative which can
solve all kinds of problems.  So I think this is a very, very
good development also.

SCHLANGER:  The Pentagon just released a report on
Afghanistan which said after 16 years, the situation is worse
with the continuous war, and the U.S. deployment, the NATO
deployment. And so, this is the only alternative.
Now, this brings up to me a very important point:  We’ve
just been reviewing in the last couple days, the role that your
husband has played in bringing forward this idea of the Four
Powers.  And it’s interesting, his first actual formulation of
the idea of a Four Power agreement — Russia, India, China, and
the United States  — was in December 2008, right after the crash
in September 2008.  And Helga, I know you’ve been to India,
you’ve been to China repeatedly,  you’re now seeing this
potential becoming real.

ZEPP-LAROUCHE:  Yeah.  I think it’s really very good,
because I remember when my husband, Lyndon LaRouche, first said
these ideas, like a Four Power agreement, everybody was quite
full of disbelief, how could this ever be.  But Lyn, at that
point, said that given the fact that we are dealing with an
empire, which we say the British Empire, which historically is
correct, because as my husband also has developed many times this
empire, the idea that there is an empire with an oligarchical
elite ruling over a preferably backward mass of people, is not
something new.  It’s something that goes way back, even to the
Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire; then it moved to Venice, and
then it moved to the Dutch-British. And in a certain sense, it’s
like a chameleon:  it remains the same, or a slime mold, which
remains the same in character, but the colors are different
So, people nowadays say, “oh, the British Empire no longer
exists,” but if you look at it from the standpoint of the
geopolitical politics of the financial architecture which rules
the world, which has tried in the past to keep parts of the
developing sector backward and underdeveloped, and which,
especially in the last 20 years, made sure that the rich would
become richer, and the middle class would die out, and the poor
would become poorer, you can see clearly that this is an empire
in a modern form.  It’s quite powerful,  it used the IMF, it used
the World Bank, it keep development in the Third World down. And
only after China emerged and offered cheap credit and actually
donations and infrastructure, did this dynamic start to change.
But my husband basically at that time said, given the fact
that this financial oligarchy is really running so much of the
world, and if you look at the private security services which are
a sort of modern mercenary forces, defending this financial
structure, then he said that you need the four most powerful
sovereign nation-states in the world to ally together to defeat
it.
As I said, people were full of disbelief when he said it,
but if you look at it now, Russia and China have a strategic
partnership which is absolutely solid, and I think there to be
forever — I don’t think it can ever go away.  Then, with the
recent development between China and India, India is moving
closer; India has a very good relationship to Russia, anyway.
And with the potential of President Trump, despite the present
trade negotiations, he just put out a tweet saying he looks
forward to seeing President Xi Jinping in the near future and
that he always  will remain his friend; and also the prospective
of an early meeting between Trump and Putin — I think we are
very close to this combination, where we could really move the
world in a completely different way, in a New Paradigm, where
geopolitics stops!
I mean, in any case, let me just say this, because it’s
obvious that behind all of these affairs which we named — the
Russiagate, the Skripal case, the chemical weapons, now the
Netanyahu case — is obviously an effort to keep the status quo,
to prevent the emergence of China as the rising power, to keep
the illusion that you can contain or regime-change Russia.  But
anybody who thinks that you can keep the status quo, when the
whole world is already moving in the direction of cooperation,
win-win, working together, this is just completely impossible.
So those people in the West who are pushing these
provocations, and also ordinary citizens, you should think:  Can
you imagine how the future should look like, let’s say, in 10, 20
years from now?  Either we have World War III, or will have had
it already, or, we will move into a completely new set of
relations among nations, where the common interest, or as Xi
Jinping always calls it, the “shared community for the future of
humanity” comes first, and then after that you have national
interest.
It is an existential question for humanity that more and
more people start to think, how should the world look like in 10
years, in 20 years, and if you are of the opinion that we must
develop a new face in the evolution of mankind, where we stop
geopolitics, we stop war, and have a New Paradigm, you should
become active.  You should join the Schiller Institute, because
we are trying to cause such a change in the thinking of the
people, and we need many people to help us in this effort:  So,
I’m really appealing to you, join the Schiller Institute and work
with us, because the potential has never been so great, to move
to much, much, much more beautiful period in human history.

SCHLANGER:  And we’ve been talking about the Four Power
proposal of your husband, Lyndon LaRouche.  He also has the four
basic laws which address the economic crisis.  People should not
take their eye off the economy!  There are some new reports
coming out, former FDIC vice chairman Thomas Hoenig, Sheila Bair,
very prominent in her fight against derivatives, and now Nomi
Prins has a new book out:  Obviously, Helga, you ignore this
financial side of things to your own detriment, because this is a
crucial aspect of the strategic situation.

ZEPP-LAROUCHE:  I think we have mentioned this already in
this webcast, but I want to say it again, because Nomi Prins has
this book out, {Collusion:  How the Central Bankers Rigged the
World} — I have not read the book yet, but I have an initial
report about it — where she describes how the quantitative
easing of the central banks, to the advantage of the speculators
in the last 10 years, has created a situation where we are in a
bubble 40% worse than in 2008, which could explode at any moment.
We have talked to some well-placed people in the financial
community who are quite worried that what could happen — and I
think people should take this warning very seriously — that if
the proponents of the old, collapsing financial Western system
realize that this is end-game, that they can’t really prevent
this from happening; that China is rising, that the other
countries are rising with China, that they may actually
deliberately trigger a financial crash, to pull the rug out from
underneath President Trump, destabilize him, blame him, in order
to bring the neo-cons back into power in Washington.
I think that is for sure one of the biggest hidden dangers.
And therefore, the only solution how you can prevent that is the
immediate implementation of Glass-Steagall, but also the whole
package of Lyn’s Four Laws:  a National Bank in the tradition of
Alexander Hamilton; a credit system; a crash program to increase
the productivity of production and the labor force through
fusion, for space cooperation; but also join the New Silk Road,
join the Belt and Road Initiative, and participate with China in
the buildup of infrastructure in the United States, have joint
ventures in third countries.  You need the full package.  Only
Glass-Steagall is not enough.  We need the absolute return to a
sound financial and economic system based on the tradition of
Alexander Hamilton.  And whenever that was applied, as in the
postwar reconstruction of Germany, you had economic miracles, and
this can be replicated any time.
I would again urge you, this is the Damocles Sword which is
hanging over the world, so join our efforts to have a global
Glass-Steagall, because we don’t need speculation.  If we put all
our resources into real production, productive jobs, education,
there are so many important things to be done, that everybody can
have a benefit, and I don’t think we need mega-billionaires,
because I think people should have a decent income, but they
shouldn’t be excessively rich and the majority of the people
poor, and we really need to change that.

SCHLANGER:  Especially when they become rich by creating
things that nobody needs.
Just to conclude, I think it’s important to give people a
sense of the broader scope of what’s happening around the New
Silk Road.  We’re almost the only ones who are reporting on some
of these things, but maybe you have something you’d like to add
— the developments now from the Dominican Republic, on top of
what Panama is doing, which is in our own hemisphere in the West.
Peru has just moved ahead with some agreements with China, and
now Portugal, with the Maritime Silk Road:  The Chinese are
definitely on the move.
So, what do you have from the U.S. Congress?  The Senator
from Florida, whom Donald Trump calls “little Marco Rubio” threw
a fit, saying that China’s about to take over the Western
Hemisphere.
Instead of embracing these initiatives, you see the
hysteria.  But I think, Helga, I think it’s important for you to
emphasize the scope of this development, how it is, as you said,
“unstoppable.”

ZEPP-LAROUCHE:  Yes.  I’m very convinced that this genie is
out of the bottle, never to return. Because it is simply
appealing to the best inspiration and aspiration of the people.
If you look at the world map, the majority of the countries are
already onboard: That’s why I think it’s unstoppable.  And if you
look at Europe, for example, it’s Eastern and Central European
countries who are working with the Silk Road, the Balkan
countries; Italy, Spain, Portugal, all want to be hubs of
development, not only on the Eurasian connections, but also to
the Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking countries in Asia and Africa
and Latin America.  Then Switzerland is onboard.  And Austria,
where the new government has adopted a clause to cooperate
strategically with the New Silk Road, and now, they announced
that they want to take leadership in Europe, to bring the
European Union into connection with the Chinese New Silk Road.
And even Holland and Belgium, the Scandinavian countries — so if
you look at the map, it is really the majority of countries which
are not part of it.
That’s why I’m absolutely optimistic that if you help us to
spread the news that there is a new era of civilization which is
not based on war, subversion, regime-change, coups, but to the
advantage of the other in the spirit of the Peace of Westphalia,
I think the Spirit of the Silk Road is contagious, and it will
catch on:  So, help us to spread this word.

SCHLANGER:  And one of the ways you can help us is to go on
the New Paradigm Schiller Institute website, and we should have
there a box for people to sign up to become members, at whatever
monthly rate you can afford.
[http://newparadigm.schillerinstitute.com/sign-up/] But this is

the most important organization in the world right now, informing
people about these developments, and as Helga keeps emphasizing:
We need your support!  We need your involvement.  So go there,
and sign up and become a part of this.
Helga, is there anything else you want to cover today?

ZEPP-LAROUCHE:  I think people should really have the sense
that we are on the verge of a new hot war, and I would not
underestimate that danger.  The Ukrainian development is
extremely dangerous.  If there is a war between Israel and Iran,
it does have the potential to immediately escalate — so don’t be
complacent.
But, on the other side, I think we have never been so close
to putting all of this behind us, because once the Four Power
agreement comes into being, there is no problem on the planet
which cannot be solved.  So, don’t sit on the fence:  Become
active, and help us to turn this into a winning direction.

SCHLANGER:  Thank you Helga, and we’ll see you again next
week.

ZEPP-LAROUCHE:  Yes, I hope so.  See you then.